Thursday, May 31, 2007
Superstition and Religion
The advantage in starting a thread is that you can frame the proposition by inventing your own definitions. I don't consider you definition of supersition to be valid.
"The certainty that we live in a world beyond our comprehension and beyond our control" defines science and technology, not superstition. I would think that all scientists to a man and woman accept that they live in a world partially at least beyond their comprehension and control. It's an appropriate non-arrogant attitude to face when confronting the vastness of our ignorance and what we don't know relative to what we can even theoretically know. Conversely, the witchdoctor who rattles a bone over our ill body surely believes that his world in comprehensable and controllable.
What superstition really is a belief that events are caused by non-causal behaviors. Wikpedia has some examples:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition
"When a Dayak village goes out to hunt wild pigs in the jungle, the people who stay at home may not touch oil or water with their hands during the absence of their friend; for if they did so, the hunters would all be "butter-fingered" and the prey would slip through their hands.
"While a Gilyek hunter was pursuing game in the forests of ancient China, his children at home were forbidden to make drawings on wood or in sand; they feared that if the children did so, the paths in the forest would become as perplexed as the lines in the drawings and that the hunter might lose his way and never return. "
The question is whether generally supersition as defined above relates to religion. The answer is that it need not. The number 13, horsehoes, back cats, and broken mirrors may indeed have roots in our pagan past, but theist and atheist alike embrace such supersititions today with alacrity.
Labels: superstition
Wednesday, May 30, 2007
A Literal Bible
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=27682
" About one-third of the American adult population believes the Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally word for word."
"Although even those who believe in a literal Bible can still be at odds in their attempt to interpret exactly what the Bible says about key areas of Scripture and moral issues, a literal belief structure has been the basis for justifications for a variety of important positions in American life. These have included opposition to evolution and the teaching thereof in public schools (going back to the days of the Scopes Monkey Trial), opposition to same-sex relationships, the proper relationship between husbands and wives with a marriage, observance of a day of rest, the belief that positions as preachers or priests should be maintained for men only, and even such seemingly unrelated topics as immigration."
My hunch is that one-third of Americans are testifying to something other than the notion that it must be taken literally word for word, since even a passing knowledge of the Bible shows that large portions of the Bible are figurative or have layers of meaning. The Song of Solomon makes no sense unless it is read symbolically. Also, consider two of the most beautiful passages in the Bible. In Psalm 23, when the divine Shepherd "maketh me to lie down in green pastures", it would surprise me if any read this to mean that we were to be treated as meadow animals. And, in I Corinthians 13, I think few people believe that the absence of love will really turn them into "a sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal." A literal interpretation of the Bible would result in such ancient Biblical truths as a flat earth, the divine right of kings, polygamy, slavery, and the stoning of disobedient children. It could be that a slice of that one third is simply ignorant about the Bible. But perhaps the remainder are using the word "literally" as a figurative symbol that they are committed to a certain kind of Christianity, but fundamentalist only in a cafeteria sense-- in terms of opposing civil rights, rejecting evolution, promoting the subordinating of women, and the intrusion of sectarianism into public policy.
Mormonism and Christ
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg
In it, we find the following:
Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God the Father in the flesh. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge. Under the direction of our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the earth. Through His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and by giving His life on the cross—that is, by performing the Atonement—Jesus Christ saves us from our sins as we follow Him. Through His Resurrection, Jesus Christ saves us from physical death. Because He overcame death, we will all be given the gift of resurrection.
The words the LDS site use are the same terms that you would hear from any Baptist pulpit. But, as a matter of Mormon doctrine, the words the Baptist understand have almost no correlation to the same words the Mormon understands. "Son of God", "atonement", "resurrection" , "incarnation", and "God the Father" are words that LDS theologians have radically redefined, as we see here.
http://www.probe.org/cults-and-world-religions/cults-and-world-religions/the-mormon-doctrine-of-jesus.html
I'm using the LDS only as an example of how all groups be they secular or sectarian define and re-define what we assume to be commonly understood words in such a way to advance dogma to the point where any kind of a cogent conversation is next to impossible on matters of conviction.
Labels: Mormonism
Tuesday, May 29, 2007
Way to Go, Ben!
Labels: Kudos
Monday, May 28, 2007
God is Not Great: A Rebuttal
"Michael Kinsley, in his review of Christopher Hitchen's God is Not Great, comments admiringly that "the book is full of logical flourishes and conundrums, many of them entertaining to the nonbeliever." The examples that Kinsley cites, however, are all silly, shallow, or just plain obtuse.
"For example, I am not a Christian, but I certainly see no fatal logical contradiction in the Christian conviction that Christ "died for our sins" and also "did not die at all." To the contrary, the notion that the eternal, immaterial, unchanging God would incarnate as a creature capable of passing through death in the first place -- even or especially a death followed by a resurrection -- suggests such an infinite, category-defying act of loving self-emptying that it is easy to appreciate why a believing Christian would find that idea a great source of power and hope.
"Even more telling is Kinsley's smart-alecky paraphase of Hitchens, "Did the Jews not know that murder and adultery were wrong before they received the Ten Commandments, and if they did know, why was this such a wonderful gift?"
"As both Kinsley and Hitchens should know, neither the Bible nor any serious person has ever suggested that the Ten Commandments first introduced the idea that murder or adultery is wrong. Rather, the reveloutionary message of the Ten Commandments is that this moral order is tied both to the order of the cosmos and to a direct relationship of covenantal love and responsibility between God and a community of human bengs.
"Kinglsey rightly wonders whether Hitchens's supposed logical "sallies" would "give pause to the believer." He fails to appreciate, however, that the real lesson here is that religious beleivers and nonbelievers do not merely posit different answers to the same questions; rather, they often ask diferent questions, and draw on different paradigms and concerns. To imagine that the debate between them could be resolved by "logical" one-upmanship, or that relgious folk are merely to dense to see what others find obvious, is not only offensive, but naive and, dare I say it, illogical."
A Response
Dane's letter is a pretty good example of special pleading. The fact that he denies being a Christian shows only that some non-Christians happen to be quite sympathetic to Christianity.
I certainly see no fatal logical contradiction in the Christian conviction that Christ "died for our sins" and also "did not die at all."
Notwithstanding what Dane can or cannot see, the two assertions "Christ died" and "Christ did not die" cannot both be true. If the statements "He died" and "He did not die" were made about any other person in history, then Dane would surely agree that they were contradictory. But because the statements are made by Christians about the founder of their religion, he thinks the rules are different. That is special pleading.
the notion that the eternal, immaterial, unchanging God would incarnate as a creature capable of passing through death in the first place -- even or especially a death followed by a resurrection -- suggests such an infinite, category-defying act of loving self-emptying that it is easy to appreciate why a believing Christian would find that idea a great source of power and hope.
That does not begin to explain how the statements could be consistent. It only explains, sort of, why Christians believe the contradiction: Believing it makes them feel powerful and hopeful. I'm sure it does exactly that, but a statement does not become true just because it is a source of power and hope.
neither the Bible nor any serious person has ever suggested that the Ten Commandments first introduced the idea that murder or adultery is wrong.
That is not quite the point. The point is that many apologists for religion do suggest, in all seriousness, that we humans could have no way of knowing that murder and adultery are wrong if God had not, in some way, given us that knowledge.
the revolutionary message of the Ten Commandments is that this moral order is tied both to the order of the cosmos and to a direct relationship of covenantal love and responsibility between God and a community of human beings.
The Bible nowhere says any of that. Given certain assumptions, it could be a reasonable interpretation of the Bible, but those assumptions are neither necessarily true nor obviously true. If Duke is suggesting that skeptics are wrong to reject assumptions of that nature, then that is special pleading.
the real lesson here is that religious beleivers and nonbelievers do not merely posit different answers to the same questions; rather, they often ask different questions, and draw on different paradigms and concerns.
There can be no good short response to such a broadly phrased assertion, but I will offer some general comments.
Dane might be under the postmodernist impression that all paradigms are equally true. I don't think most Christians accept that notion, and I certainly don't.
The "lesson" that skeptics and believers "often ask different questions" is irrelevant on those occasions when we are asking the same question and getting different answers. If the question is "Is the Bible the word of God?" it doesn't make a bit of direct difference if there are lots of questions that Christians ask and I don't ask, and lots of other questions that I ask and Christians don't ask.
The real problem, if it has anything to do with different questions being asked, is that one side or the other might not be honest about what they're really asking. For most skeptics and believers alike, "Is the Bible the word of God?" is not a real question, because each of them already convinced of the answer. The believer's real question might be "How can I remain convinced that the Bible is the word of God?" while the skeptic's real question might be "How can I remain convinced that the Bible is not the word of God?"
If that is the case, then they are both wrong. But not all skeptics or believers approach the question with their minds so firmly made up. Some of them sincerely want to know which way the evidence points when that evidence is examined without any assumptions about which way it is supposed to point. And when the question about the Bible's origin is asked with that attitude, then it becomes relevant to note that of all the hundreds of millions of books that have ever been written, practically all Christians (Mormons are the most famous exception) claim a divine origin for one, and only one. Skeptics should hardly need any special pleading to defend their belief that the Bible is just like all other books. Special pleading is only useful in defense of claims of
Labels: theology
Miscellenia
"These are just a few examples of scientific illiteracy -- inane misconceptions that could have been avoided with a smidgen of freshman science. (For those afraid to ask: pencil "lead" is carbon; hydrogen fuel takes more energy to produce than it releases; all living things contain genes; a clone is just a twin.)
Steven Pinker, in a review of Natalie Angier's The Canon.
Labels: science
Downing Street Memo
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002S 195 /02
cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell
IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY
Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.
This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.
John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.
Text of the Downing Street Memo AfterDowningStreet.org
Labels: Iraq
Sunday, May 27, 2007
Freedom's Seeds in Sorrow Sown
shelter those who've come and gone.
Just below the em'rald sod
are boys who've reached the arms of God.
Buried here with dignity,
endless rows for all to see.
Freedom's seeds in sorrow sown,
'neath blades of grass and pure white stones.
How do I want to think about the military especially on this Memorial Day? It's easy to honor those who have fought and died in "good wars"-- wars that truely seemed to be in defense of our freedom. It's more complex in the case of this war, fraught as it has been with actions that mock the ideals of our nation. And I think we have grounds to be especially contemptuous not just of the civilian leadership but also the military leadership in this conflict who acquiesed to our country's war policies-- neutered lap dogs of the neo-cons.
Having said that, I think it is appropriate that we honor all those who serve, no matter how wrong-headed the war may have been. In the Viet Nam war, for example, there were countless soldiers who acquitted themselves honorably. America may be lost the war, but they-- the soldiers who fought-- won their battles. And the same must be true in this conflict. I think we must separate those who fight from those who decide they fight and also accord them due appreciation for their service and sacrifices. In the words of Rudyard Kipling:
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that,
an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country"
when the guns begin to shoot.
Labels: Memorial Day
September
The surge is not producing the results that were promised. And, based on my discussions with Iraqi Government officials, I don't believe they have the motivation to bring about the political and economic benchmarks agreed to. This is why September will be key.
Murtha: September is the Key
Several Republicans have said that they will give the buildup until the end of the summer to work, but McCain said he is more patient.
"I have tried to discourage my Republican colleagues from saying that September is some kind of seminal moment," said McCain. "I am aware the American people are frustrated. I share that frustration. I don't think the American people are aware of the consequences of failure."
McCain: September is Not the Key
Saturday, May 26, 2007
Flying Jets Into Buldings
--Sam Harris
My take is that Sam's statement has they same kind of value as chanting "All we are saying, is give peace a chance." To trust in the good will of others much less ourselves is beyond naive. It is fatuous and dangerous. Dialogue and skepticism is not enough either. Such attitudes underestimate the resiliance of people to change their core values and beliefs and to defend those values and beliefs with every tool as their disposal. Flying jets into buildings is merely the logical extension of deeply seated beliefs that we scarcely can comprehend, using rational-- not irrational-- actions to advance those beliefs. If there is hope, it lies with taking as a given the depravity of humanity, and to accordingly create institutions that promote transparancy and accountability, divide and diffuse centers of power, and protect and promote secularism, pretty much using the formula that our founding fathers conceived. I no more trust power in the hands of scientists and scholars than I do in the hands of politicians and priests, and religionists (or areligionists for that matter) have no monopoloy on fanaticism, as Hoffer suggests in my link below:
http://mymallandnews.bizland.com/truebeliever.htm
Labels: fanaticism, Sam Harris
Ten Utterances
I would be curious to learn in what book, chapter, and verse does your professor find the word "utterances". Consider, for example, Deuteronomy 6:1 "Now these are the commandments..." and verse 17 in the same chapter "You shall diligently keep the commandments ..." Modern translations of the Christian Bible today use exactly the same manuscripts as does the modern Torah.
See Ex 34:28 here,
http://www.blueletterbible.org/
and then click on the link for the word "commandments", which takes you here,
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H01697&Version=kjv
and shows you how that Hebrew word was translated in other contexts. And sure enough in 807 places in the KJV, it's translated "word" and only in 20 places "commandment". So indeed it's normally a very generic word ("utterance" or the like) and either it only means commandment in very specific contexts, or it doesn't mean commandment at all and the translator added that idea.
Labels: theology
Christians and Crime
I am willing to concede that the vast majority of folks who are on death row, the vast majority of people who do abortions and have abortions, and the vast majority of those that lie, cheat, steal, and get divorced in his country come from Christian households and call themselves Christians. But I consider these statisics to be interesting but not especially revealing as the definition of who is a Christian is so broad as to be probably meaningless.
Would you agree that as these people are self-identifying as Christian that they probably had at least a moderaterly religious background?
I don't know. In the US at least, "Christian" appears to be the default self-definition.
"Are you Jewish?"
"Nope"
"Are you Hindu?"
"Are you joking?"
"Are you atheist?"
"Whatzat?"
"Oh, you must be a Christian?"
"Whatever."
This kind of self-definition may mean nothing more than that person hears "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" every December. The "no true Scot" fallacy cuts both ways.
Are you saying that they are not "true Christians" because they engage in activities that fundamentalist Christianity disapproves of?
I"m saying that the phrase "true Christian" is not meaningful as an objective category.
Labels: crime
Friday, May 25, 2007
Kindergarten Isn't Enough
All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand pile at school.
These are the things I learned:
Share everything.
Play fair.
Don't hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don't take things that aren't yours.
Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.
Flush.
Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.
Take a nap every afternoon.
When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together.
Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.
Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living.
Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the whole world - had cookies and milk at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess.
And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together.
I never went to kindergarten, so perhaps I missed some of these life lessons. But I also suggest that most people learn a lot more than what kindergarten teaches, and wisdom is a slow, long, and hard slog. Here are some non-kindergarten life lessons from Sloan Wilson, the author of The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit:
1. Beware of people who are always well-dressed
2. The hardest part of raising children is teaching them to ride bicycles. A father can run beside the bicycle or stand yelling directions while the child falls. A shaky child on a bicycle for the first time needs both support and freedom. The realization that this is what the child will always need can hit hard.
3. Children go away and live their own lives, starting when they are about eighteen. Parents who accept this as a natural part of the order of things will see their children surprisingly often.
4. Friends are fun, but they are more dangerous than strangers. Strangers ask for a quarter for a cup of coffee, while friends ask for a thousand dollars, no questions asked. Some friends also have a roving eye for your wife and your daughters.
5. Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders.
6. When things break around the house, call a handyman. No intelligent man is capable of fixing anything, unless he has made home repair his business.
7. Either afloat or ashore, it is normal for everything to go wrong. No one should be surprised or unduly upset by foul-ups. They are a basic part of the human condition.
8. Many children should be treated as adults and many adults should be treated as children. Age has every little to do with capabilities.
9. Liquid shoe polish doesn’t work.
10. When I was young I was briefly interested in politics, but politics soon board me. I was interested in business for a long while but business eventually bored me. Religion I never understood at all. Although it may sound sentimental, the only meaning I have found in life has been in my wife and children. Without them, I would be in more despair than a bankrupt millionaire.
Labels: Robert Fulgham, Sloan Wilson
Russell and Causality
Bertand Russell (1927)
(I've no idea what Lord Russell is saying, but I enjoyed typing it.)
Labels: philosophy
Thursday, May 24, 2007
Situational Ethics
1. Is it ever necessary to do something morally wrong?
2. Is it acceptable for someone or for society in general to derive benefit from an evil act that a third party committed?
3. Is the morality of an action dependent on the harm done or by the benefits obtained?
I am not arrogant enough to suspect that I know the answers to those questions.
I respect intellectual humility and I know you are being sincere by disclaiming arrogance. However, I suggest that difficult ethical dilemmas can only be resolved by wearing a mantle of arrogance. My father, for example, was a conscientious objector during World War II. He had no problem undergoing malaria vaccine or medical starvation tests to defend his conviction that the taking of human life for any reason is murder. But when pressed on whether or not we need police or soldiers, Dad's answer would basically come down to an ethical claim that he saw was Biblically derived but nevertheless was also hopelessly subjective. Thus, for my father, a humble man, his moral creed was placed into the subjunctive: "For me, the taking of human life is wrong." I really don't see how this differs from someone who says, "For me, the taking of human life is right."
One approach that appeals to me was suggested by the existentialists, who embrace the presupposition of individual moral choice-- one of the few philosophies that really do so. What they ask you to do when you are trying to decide whether to join the Free French underground to fight the Nazis or care for your dying mother or who you need to throw overboad in a storm-tossed lifeboat is to be in effect God's consigleri, pope, president, and grand pooh bah of the universe, making a decision not merely for yourself but for all of humanity, and by so doing defining yourself and humanity by how you make that choice. The paradox is that sometimes we need to be selfish or at least a-ethical to make the clearest ethical decisions. An example is in the one choice that in my opinion accounts for most of one's misery or happiness-- who you marry. The question to ask is not will I be good for her, fulfill her, please her? The one question that must be asked and the answered in a clear affirmative is: is she good for me? It is that selfishness that in the scheme of things is selflessly ethical.
The questions you raise above basically relate to situational ethics, a theory of Christian ethics that was developed by Joseph Fletcher in the 1960s, based on the theory best articulated by the Beatles that "All you need is love." Thus, to put it simplistically, for Fletcher the ends jusitify the means if somehow the means are rooted in agape love.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situation_ethics
The more I think about situational ethics, the less I think it provides much ethical guidance, as it is highly conditional or what Kant would call hypothetical on some fuzzy construct that we identify as "love". I'm not sure how much use it would be in resolving, for example, William Styron's scenario in Sophie's Choice, that compelled Sophie to select one of her children at Auchwitz for the ovens. However, I do think Fletcher's thinking was at least a step in the right direction away from the moralistic absolutism common not just among many Christians but people generally. John Caputo in his challenging but well-written book Against Ethics deconstructs ethics to the point where it becomes sometimes not just irrelevant but dangerous and that fixed moral rules are something of a mirage.
Labels: ethics
Wednesday, May 23, 2007
L is for Love
except it's the only thing
better than food
logotheraphy
lugubrious
locomotor ataxia
Lethwards
leg it - to run
loco week - marajuana
lu lu - desirable
longhandled underwear
lepidopterist
leading cases
Lis Pendens - litigation pending
lickety brindle
l'envoi
limbus of the mon
Ligan
Lotus Eaters
leveraged lease
littoral
Lying for the Whetsone
lungi
largo
Leviathan
lope
lagniappe
lupine
LIFO
lexiographer - harmless drudge
Lager Beer
Lang Syne
Lanterize
loll
lachrymal
limn
Labels: vocabulary
The Kingdom of Ends
But how can the results you want be ethical unless the ends justify the means? For example, arguably, the atomizing of Hiroshima was ethical as the means corresponded (let us stipulate) with its ethical goal of bringing the war to an end.
This of course is the classic dilemma posed by two seemingly antithetical systems of ethical thought-- utiliterianism ("greatest good for the greatest number") and the unconditional Kantian ethics of the Categorical Imperative.
But it seems to me that the contradiction may be more apparant than real, in which one exercises the sometimes Machiavellian art of the possible to achieve what Kant calls the Kingdom of Ends
Labels: philosophy
Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Miscellania
2. Tomatoes (Lycopersicon lycopersicum) were cultivate in South and Central America for centuries before they were introduce to European gardens in the 16th century.
3. Chemistry is from the Arabic kimia, whence al-kimia (alchemy), from kamai (to conceal).
4. Boyle's law: "The volume of a gas is inversely as the pressure." Robert Boyle (1627-1691)
5. More than half of all cat owners have had some college.
6. Robert Conot, author of the 1979 biography of Edison, A Streak of Luck, observes that Edison's mind "multiplied devices from a single idea like a dividing amoeba and then compartmentalized the ceations and endeavors."
7. There are: 60 minims = 1 fluid dram; 8 fluid drams = 1 fluid ounce; 16 fluid ounces = 1 point; 8 pints + 1 gallon. (apothecaries fluid measures)
8. Gout strikes the male population nineteen times for every one time it attacks females.
Labels: science
Monday, May 21, 2007
Religion and Child Behavior
Obviously, the vast majority of kids fall somewhere between these extremes. But, based on my observation, I hazard the following observation. The children that fall into the first group in distinction to the second group in terms of their religious background are not kids who lack no religion whatever-- parents who take the view that when their kids get of age, they can get a relgion if they want to -- or kids who have a fundamentalist background with lots of "don'ts" and strict religious indoctrination-- parents who force their kids to walk such a moral tight-rope that they will inevitable fall off-- but parents who have some religious traditions withut being overly excessive in their ethical demands.
Based on my somewhat limited obervation with children from parents of a variety of different religions and also the absence of religion, my conclusion is that the most desirable and wholesome children have a moderately religious background that guides the child and allows his or her values to incubate and that doesn't restrict the natural development of a child's conscience.
Your observation is clearly limited. Based on my own limited observations I could say the following.
...my conclusion is that the most desirable and wholesome children have had no religious background and have been guided by humanistic principles which allows them to develop a healthy respect for their societal responsibilities and the rights of others. (Such observations include my own three children incidentally.)
I'm just a curious parent, not a scientist. But you rise valid points. Certainly, the variables you raise are important. As a landlord of more than two decades, I have had the opportunity to look into people's lives more closely than many people, and my wife is a preschool teacher that yet gives another window into peoples lives.
It's possible that I've extrapolated from a sample that is far too small. However, on my children's behalf, I'm trying to be as pragmatic as possible, and let the evidence take me where it will. I'm perfectly willing also to concede that parents that raise well-adjusted kids may not necesserily invoke a religion per se but they do enforce some kind of a moral code within their own family that does much of the same thing. Thus, they may call themselves atheists while at the same time ensuring that their kids adhear to high and honorable ethical values. This is different that parents that are indifferent to any kind of a transmission of ethics be it in the guise of religion or using some other mechanism, although they may also describe themselves as atheists or not even use that word at all. Factors, such as education and ethnic background, may indeed inform whether it is the former rather than the latter.
I think you are groping tentatively towards a much more sensible approach in your last sentence. Well-adjusted children tend to come from stable, comfortable and loving backgrounds by and large and religious belief is largely irrelevant.
Labels: ethics
On the Hardening of Pharoah's Heart
Romans 9:17-18: "For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth." 18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires."
Here is a solid non-Calvanistic treatment of these difficult passages. As I've mentioned in other postings, I reject as non-scriptual interpetations that erode as individual's free choice, recognizing that such freedom is integral both to morality and to who God is. References to predestination are, in my view, akin to how I raise my children-- by guiding and encouraging them, I predestine them to be good students and good citizens. But, ultimately, the choices they must make are outside of my control. To the commentary in the link, I should also note that the Bible makes a distinction between the heart and the mind and also the will and soul. Moral choices involve an interplay between heart or emotions, mind, will or predisposition, and soul or sense of ethics. The resolution of a moral choice is not merely an act of the heart.
I think this is an example of the usual desperate straw-clutching that apologists indulge in when trying to make an old legend fit their preferred beliefs.
If the author did not want the reader to think that God actively hardened Pharaoh’s heart he could have simply said that God did nothing to stop Pharaoh from hardening his heart. Of course this leads to further awkward questions.
Why did God sit passively by and let Pharaoh harden his heart when at other times he seemed to have no problem with interfering with people’s free will to either avoid something nasty or often to cause something nastier?
One is also led to ask, if Pharaoh was entirely responsible for hardening his own heart, why mention God’s non-participation in this process in the first place?
In passages like this, I agree that there may be special pleading and tailoring to fit a preconceived notion. Another example is Isaiah 40:22, where God "sitteth upon the circle of the earth" is somehow the earth is made to mean a sphere. Having said that, I think there is also a kind of interpretation that goes in the other direction, in which the critics deduce absurdities, contradictions, and falsehoods from the Bible because they choose to read it as or more literally that the fundiest fundamentalist. Thus, for example, rather than appreciating the powerful stories of moral choice in the Garden of Eden, human pride in the Tower of Babel, brotherly hate in the Cain and Abel, and so on they fixate for example on whether Genesis 1:19 "means" a 24 hour solar day. Critics also in my view look a factual discrepancies as some kind of blemish on the credability of the Bible, for example, in Ezra 2:15, 454 of Adin's offspring returned from Babylon, whereas according to Nehemiah 7:20, 655 of Adin's children returned from Babylon. This kind of fact checking proves nothing more except the obvious: that copyists made errors. It says nothing about the intrinsic truth of the Bible. So what is the truth of the Bible? What you see of the Bible depends on where you stand. If you start with the assumption that the Bible is filled wth lies, you will see nothing but lies. If think that the Bible is true, then you will find truth. To ask whether the Bible is true or false is akin to asking whether or not the following is true or false:
Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
These are questions that cannot be answered, except in the context of how one feels and looks at life.
Labels: theology
Saturday, May 19, 2007
Nigerian 419 Scams
133 people were interveiwed about being in the scams. (sending money to Nigeria).
Of those, only 2 people were actually conducting a business. The rest were scams.
$16m was lost by those people.
About US$400,000 a months is being sent from Queensland to the scammers. Thsi is estimated to be about $2mill a month Aust wide.
Most people in the end game of the scam were receiving death threats if they backed out, including threats to their families.
2/3rds of people contacted by the police, refused to believe they were being scammed, and continued to send cash.
Most of the scammers were in Lagos, but were actually run by people in England and Spain.
There may in fact be links to Russian mafia. 2000 scammers were arrested in the last 2 years in Nigeria.
While many links are traced back to England, because the crimes have not been commited in England, no arrests have been made.
A Hong Kong Woman managed to recover $4m, a Brazilian bank got back $100m of $240m lost.
People, we are in the wrong game.
Thank you for supplying these statistics.
These Nigerian 419 advance fee scams rely on a computer-savy, dishonest English speaking nation with a large, educated expatriate population. They in turn rely on the availability of a credulous and greedy target population. There are people who deserve to be victims because they credulous and greedy. They get no sympathy from me.
Labels: scams
Is Good An Opinion?
I'm very sorry to say that it appears you are losing this argument. First, atheism has nothing whatever to do with an understanding or recognition of good, evil, power, and weaknesses. Secondly, it seems that your argument boils down to the claim that what you and I call good and evil are merely opinions, somewhat akin to my opinion that the Cubs will win the pennant this year. If I kick you in the shins, it is more than likely that you will find that a less than good experience. Why can I conclude that having not even met you? The answer is simply because we share a common physicality from whence comes our understanding of goodness and badness and indeed taboos and traditions that stretch across cultures and over time-- not as an absolute but generally. The facts from anthropology, biology, and history do not support a theory of radical moral relativism.
Labels: philosophy
K is for Kugel
and other ka-koph-o-nous Jewish dishes.
kale - money
keister -- buttocks; suitcase
kid - passive homosexual
kite - letter
kidvid
knell
kakistocracy
kleptomania
kid simple
kinescope
kitchy-kich-e-kook
Labels: vocabulary
Blasphemy Challenge
Allow me me to be your Virgil through on this particular ring of the inferno.
First, I hope you hang around. You will find a few people who are commited to their religious tradition who soemtimes make valuable contributions and advance the debate. A kind of brain surgery in which your presuppositions and conclusions are tested forcing you to either modify of reinforce them. This kind of refining fire can sharpen you if it doesn't melt you. Having said that, there are a number of bigots on this forum who gather like flies to a dead rabbit, and their sole reason for existence is manifest their bottomless bigotry usually in the most vile and vulgar way that they can conceive to you. The best thing you can do in these instances is to not oxyginate them with any kind of a response. The upshot is that this kind of tar-baby wrestling is a waste of time and will only degrade you. There are also a number of people who in terms of their mental bandwidth are on the wrong side of the bell curve, and these you can also pass by without regrets. However, having said all of that, there are some people on this forum who are deep, creative thinkers in the best sense, some whom have advanced schooling in theology, philosophy, and other areas, and are among the best interloculors that you will find anywhere. For me at least, it makes it worthwhile.
As to the substance of your post, I'm skeptical that one can assign a definitive interpretation to specific original words. Of course, there are no original words, in the case of the texts of either of our traditions. We are after all reading copies of copies of the originals. Secondly, I think it is a somewhat meaningless exercise either to demonstrate the credability or the absurdity of those texts. I think it's perhaps even a fallacy when someone tries to nail a theological point by saying, "Well, according to the original language, this is the way it is." The fallacy lies in the fact that words don't interpret themselves. We need to interpret and contextualize those words. The Bible as a whole contains many kinds of writing, and unless we agree that we are reading poetry in distinction to history, say, no knowledge of original words is going to advance our understanding, IMO. Sometimes, a statement may have one meaning or many meanings. Sometimes, the meaning of that statement may change over time, as it is reinterpreted in application to new circumstances, not unlike our Constitution. I think, however, to assign a single meaning to statements in the Bible or any writing for that matter is a mistake. The best one can do, in my opinion, is to approach it as you would any truth proposition-- here is what it is; here is what I think it means; and here is why I think it means thus.
Labels: theology
Friday, May 18, 2007
Hating the Dead
Someone expressed the opinion that the product that Flynt put out was more benign product than the product that Falwell put out. Having little experience with the former, I'm in no place to make such a value judgment. I just don't know.
A good way to test a proposition such as I propose-- resolved: one must not hate or mock the dead-- is to invoke extreme examples. I think of the most vile atheists that have died in my life time, and I ask myself whether or not my POV would change.
They include Mao (10-20 million dead) and Pol Pot (2-4 million dead) and in this country Timothy McVeigh (technically a self-described agnostic http://www.tektonics.org/guest/mcveigh.htm) and Jim Jones, who, although he began his career as an ordained minister ended his life and the lives of almost 1,000 others as a militant atheist. (Refer you to tapes Q595, Q597, and Q757 for example, in which he articulates his anti-Christianism and pro-atheistic views in many places. cf. http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/Tapes/Tapes/TapeTranscripts/transcripts.html) I want to be clear that I make no claim that the atheistic views necesserily informed their actions in each of these cases. I'm simply invoking extreme cases to test for myself whether my principle still obtains.
I once read a column by Patrick Buchanen that defended the antics of those when a serial killer was given his injection-- I think it was Bundy. He said their glee was actually a moral statement-- a claim of recognition that society has its moral limits. I don't deny that the execution of Adolph Eichman and McVeigh were in some sense a moral victory. However, nevertheless, perhaps perversely I still cling to my view that one steps over a boundry that should not be crossed when one rejoices in the death of another, no matter who they are or what they did, including all those in this post. That doesn't mitigate their crimes either of action or thought, but speaking for myself, it puts me in a place where I prefer not to be.
I'm not unsympathetic to the hate unleashed on Falwell. I suspect that history won't be kind to him or to the media that faciliated him giving millions of people the impression that this-- his extremist and sometimes idiotic rhetoric-- was the face of Christianity, a face that I simply don't recognize at all.
Labels: Falwell
Trolling
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Wednesday, May 16, 2007
Tuesday, May 15, 2007
Jerry Falwell: RIP
Ask not for whom the bell tolls. Death, for all its ugliness, gives nobility and poignancy to life and to the departed. The democracy of the dead cannot help but to soften sharp differences, reminding us that for all of us the electrocardiogram's sine will someday flatten.
Some of us feel compelled to express our opinion that the world is a better place without a deluded, hateful bigot like Falwell.
And perhaps you are indeed correct. It may well indeed by that the world would be a better place in the absence of Falwell, bin Laden, Bush, and others. A few minutes ago, I just heard Christopher Hitchens on CNN contending that Falwell exacerbated Middle Eas
